The ongoing battle against multilevel marketing (MLM) companies escalated a notch as John Frenaye, a veteran agent and persistent critic of the effects of alleged MLMs on suppliers and professional agents, posted an open letter, “The Hidden Cost of MLM,” on his website which warns suppliers of the dangers of working with MLMs. Frenaye is president of JVE Group, Annapolis, MD.
Frenaye addressed his concerns to Carnival Cruise Lines, Princess Cruise Lines, Holland America Line, Disney Cruise Line, Walt Disney Travel Company, Globus, Trafalgar, VAX Vacation Access, Travel Impressions, Cunard Line, Seabourn, Collette Vacations, MSC Cruises, Costa Cruises, Apple Vacations, The Mark Travel Company, and Travel Guard.
Frenaye urges suppliers not to deal with multilevel marketing firms and card mills. In an interview with Travel Agent, he noted the difficulty and costs now being faced by responsible suppliers with Joystar/Travelstar, which now faces bankruptcy proceedings in federal court, and warned of the loss of brand integrity. Details of Frenaye’s anti MLM stance can be found online at:
http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com/2009/02/hidden-cost-of-mlm.html.
Here are excerpts from Frenaye's letter to suppliers:
“I bet you thought that offering a 16 percent commission and a few marketing bucks was a great deal to deal with an MLM when you started. I bet you are wrong. Have you ever taken a look at the hidden cost of dealing with an MLM? When reputation is everything in this industry, I am surprised that you all are willing to sacrifice your hard earned brand image. Please consider the following:
Are you gaining more clients? Or just discounting your product?
* The bean counters all see the dollar signs for the bookings. But it has been proven that most of the sales are to themselves. So it is logical to assume these MLM participants would likely have traveled in any case and purchased via a more reputable means. All that is accomplished here is to cheapen your product by discounting--something many of the suppliers themselves prohibit. The alienation of your sales force by doing so is a whole other discussion. Perillo Tours found out that 90 percent of their YTB bookings were for the agents themselves. Sort of defeats the purpose of hiring an 'agent' to do your marketing doesn't it?
What's happening to your reputation?
* What happens when one of these untrained MLM participants makes an attempt to market your product? I am sure you have seen some marketing attempts--many have been highlighted on this blog. And do you really want someone trying to sell your product, when their goal is to sell them into their scheme so they can travel for free?
* What happens when one of these so called 'agents' decides to collect almost $100,000 from high school seniors and run with it? While Carnival obviously had no responsibility in that matter, the cruise line's good name was certainly dragged through the mud.
* What happens when you do offer reduced rate travel and these MLM participants descend and are soliciting your full fare paying customers? What type of taste does that leave in your customer's mouth? And why do these MLM 'agents' need to be continually reminded on how to be professional?
What's happening to your money?
* Cruise lines are becoming more and more dependent on onboard revenue for their profitability. Has anyone bothered to do a study of the amount of money the MLM clients actually spend on board as opposed to that of a traditional agent? What about the MLM participants themselves? I was on a Carnival ship in November and witnessed a MLM agent from Traverus (an online agency) bragging that they got the cruise for next to nothing, had weaseled out of tipping, smuggled in a lot of alcohol and soda, and brought insulated drinking cups to keep them well lubricated. With all that planning, I am sure a nickel did not make its way to Carnival.
* Sure you pay some of these MLM companies top tier commissions, but for that, one would expect that the agent does the lion's share of the work. Are the MLMs pulling their weight? Have you looked at the time your internal people spend hand holding and re-training the MLM participants time and time again? Is it really worth it to pay 16 percent commission? I recently heard that a major cruise line flew staff from Miami to St. Louis to answer consumer calls during YTB's recent Sail-A-Thon. I suppose they did not want a repeat of the 'service' handed out at last year's event. Honestly, it makes more sense to take the booking direct and not pay a commission at all.
How do your employees feel?
* Have you ever questioned your front line employees about how they feel dealing with the MLM agencies? I have. It is not pretty. You need customers for sure, but you also need employees who are excited to work for you. Why not offer an anonymous survey and allow them to voice their opinions?
* Ask your BDM's their honest opinion. I am sure you will be shocked. Be sure they know you want to know how they feel and not what they think you want to hear.
Do these 'agents' know the product?
* On a recent blog post, a YTB Referring Travel Agent was insistent that a 'tender' was money. While that is certainly a definition of tender, it is not the case in the travel industry. Most likely this agent is advising clients that while in George Town, Grand Cayman that they need to take money to get ashore.
* Speaking of the Caymans, the RTA that took off with the high school seniors' money--she advertised that the 'boat' had 'docked' in 'Grand Caymen.' What impression is left on the consumer? And why are suppliers facilitating it?
* When Royal Caribbean made their move, most of YTB insisted that * 's promotion to the VP of the Hotel Operations was really a demotion for 'dissing' YTB and that she was in charge of changing sheets in the pre-and post cruise hotels. Seriously, I am not kidding.
* From what I hear, many suppliers have received subpoenas from the California Attorney General requesting access to many financial documents related to the current suit against YTB for operating an illegal Pyramid Scheme. While I am sure that all suppliers operate on the up and up, additional governmental scrutiny can never be a good thing.
"It is obvious the cost is far greater than the commissions paid. The MLM 'agents' are not earning their commission and, quite honestly, your continued dealing with them is slowly but surely eroding your very own brand image. Royal Caribbean took a bold, brave step in 2007 by eliminating YTB from their agency list. Other smaller suppliers followed as well. Last week, NCL came to the realization that dealing with an MLM is simply not worth it.
“Right now, each supplier needs the support of people that know the product and are professional, legal and ethical in operating their businesses. I challenge that you are not getting this with YTB, Traverus, GTI (a online agency) and the rest. Richard Fain and Adam Goldstein reiterated their belief in a trained professional agent to move their product. I applaud them. Traditional travel agents are very relevant to travel suppliers, and they are proving that relevancy each day.”
“How relevant are the MLMs? How committed to you are they? Have you listened to one of the YTB Saturday morning conference calls? This week, the word 'travel' was mentioned exactly once--when they said they 'started with travel' and moved onto flowers and cars. Both Traverus and YTB are now focusing on selling potions and lotions. YTB is selling home decor, financial services, meat and food, cakes and peanuts, and more. Don't believe it, go click on the links. These MLM companies are only dedicated to travel as long as they can use it as the sexy lure to recruit new members.”
Frenaye reminded the addressees that they have received a copy of his online petition that gained nearly 3,000 names of travel professionals. The petition asked suppliers to throw their support to “to the agents who produce for you."
Frenaye concluded his letter noting that two-thirds of the major cruise lines in the world have "seen the light" to make the business decision to not deal with the MLM/Card Mill/Pyramid companies, and asked suppliers, "Don't you think it might make sense for you to take a look as well?"
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For john Frenaye: you stated you knew many host agencys that charge no fee to join and no website fee with a 80% split. Could you please email me a list. I am all over that one.
It is a good thing we have a legal system that will decide this case and not bias. The only thing that MLM is not guilty of is the sinking of the Titanic. Not yet.
Why don't I see complaints about Traverus and Donald Trump they do the same thing sale travel websites to people.So because someone pays $25,000 instead of $500 are they qualified travel agents.
Just asking.
Why are all of you pros so scared of the new people who want to join a host and learn your business.I have put in my time learning what I can from suppliers and have several supplier certifications. It will take us time to learn the industry as you did. You did not come out of school and start your million dollar business, it took time to learn and build your clientele. That's all we want to do. Give us a chance. I agree some are in it for their discounts however I have found it hard to get those fams and discounts without a CLIA or Iata card and that will deter some of these MLMs, however all of us are not in it for that reason. I really want to learn the business and make something of it one day. The comments about us going to trade shows and filling up bags is ridiculous, yes I do that because then I have info at my finger tips when asked about something and the shows I have attended the ladies standing at the table are no more than a bunch of pretty models and maybe 10% stepped up
The entire TRAVEL INDUSTRY in America is messed up like Wall Street, due to lack of regulation. Like every other profession, the Travel Profession also needs some kind of qualification. Due to loose regulation, every TOM/DICK/HARRY becomes a travel agent.
The looser are Brick and morter agencies who built up their business, made investments in equipment, pay rent and built up supplier relationship.
Suppliers should stop dealing with all those home operators who do nothing but sell with discounting their commissions because they want to built up sell to satisfy their free travel for themselves.
Look at Europe and Asia. Travel industry is not for every one. Regulations are enforced with strict code of conduct and professionalism which they lack in America.
Organizations like ASTA/CLIA/and ARC/IATAN have done nothing to help the genuine travel agents. This is one of reasons TRAVEL INDUSTRY in America is in doldrums.
HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT YTB AS STATED ON PYRAMIDSCHEMEALERT.ORG:"Very little of the company revenue comes from selling travel services. In 2007, 73% of all YTB's revenue came from the $500 sign-up and $50 monthly fees paid in by the sales reps. Another 10% came from selling the "agents" marketing materials and courses.
The average commission paid to YTB sales reps for selling travel was only $44.29 per year, or 85¢ a week.
85% of all YTB commission paid to the reps ultimately comes from fees paid by new recruits, not from sales of travel services.
81% of all YTB reps never earn any commission at all.
The top 4% of the YTB sales chain got 96% of all commissions paid by the company.
To get "infinite override" commissions, each YTB rep must personally enroll three other sales reps (who pay $500 and $50 a month) and have a total of six paying "agents" in his/her "first line."
FORRST-WHAT THE HECK? COMFY?WHAT'S SO COMFY? OUTDATED?HOW?GO TO A MEETING FOR AN MLM AND CHECK OUT THEIR RECRUITING TACTICS.THEY WANT YOU PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THEY SOMEHOW FIGURED OUT SOME SECRET ABOUT GETTING INTO THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY AND LURE YOU WITH ALL THESE "PERKS".DO YOU THINK OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS THAT BY "ALLOWING" YOU TO PAY THEM TO BE PART OF THEIR MLM THEY HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND?SOMEBODYS GETTING RICH AT THE TOP!I COULD PROBABLY SELL A HOUSE FOR YOU BUT I'M NOT A LICENSED REAL ESTATE AGENT SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GIVE THE BEST ADVICE OR COVER YOUR BUTT WHEN AN ERROR OR OMISSION OCCURED BECAUSE I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE AGENT.THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.WE JUST WANT LIGITIMATE PROFESSIONAL AGENTS TO BE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN CALL THEMSELVES TRAVEL AGENTS.IS THAT SO BAD?I WANT THESE SAME PEOPLE TO WALK INTO A REAL TRAVEL AGENCY AND GET A JOB.YOU WOULDN'T LAST LONG.CALL IT "WHINING" IF YOU WILL.WE CALL IT LIKE IT IS!
Sorry Forrest it is not a ridiculous topic and elmlinating MLMs is not silly. Go read pyramidschemealert.org and you will find tons of wreckage and fall out from what MLM's have not only done to travel but other outlets as well. The last administration looked the other way and let all these scammers operate. Time for a change.
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/ConsumerPetition.php
This is a ridiculous topic. I agree, policing the scammers in ANY industry is a good thing; eliminating all is silly & backwards thinking. If the travel industry is changing with the economics of the day, then buck up & figure out how to compete. All I hear from travel pros on the topic is whining about losing their comfy outdated ways of doing business. If I said eliminate all travel pros, you'd call me crazy. If I said eliminate the scammer travel pros you'd agree. Hello???
FOR ALL OF US THAT HAVE "PUT IN THE TIME", SPENT UNTOLD MONEY ON CONTINUED EDUCATION,BUILT LIFELONG SUPPLIER RELATIONSHIPS AND HAVE OBTAINED ALL SORTS OF CREDENTIALS AND SPECIALIST DESIGNATIONS,ETC.-WE ARE NOT JEALOUS OF YOU MLM PEOPLE-WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT ANYBODY WOULD COME INTO THE BUSINESS WE LOVE AND CHEAPEN THE WHOLE THING BY BEING ABLE TO "BUY" A TITLE.GIVING YOUR NEIGHBOR OR YOUR FRIENDS AN 800 NUMBER TO CALL OR SENDING THEM TO A WEBSITE SO YOU GET COMMISSION IS FAR FROM ANYTHING NEAR WHAT WILL EVER BE CONSIDERED A TRAVEL AGENT!